In this episode of the Two Piers Podcast, Erica D’Eramo is joined by Naeemah Elias, a TEDx speaker, leadership coach, and founder of Elias Presence Ventures.

A former finance executive turned entrepreneur, Naeemah helps leaders and organizations create environments where people can speak up, show up, and thrive. Her signature message, “Thriving as an Outsider,” explores how difference can become a source of influence and impact.

Together, Erica and Naeemah discuss what it means to navigate professional spaces that may not have been designed with you in mind, how outsider identities shape the “rules” we carry, and why relationships, feedback, and intentional choice matter when building a career that is both effective and sustainable.